911 v evomr400

[duran]

alright


what would win ...


i have a evo 8 mr400 how would i get on in a 0.100 against the 911 range


ta

jason


mosi i found you :D

[Glenn Mc]

alright


what would win ...


i have a evo 8 mr400 how would i get on in a 0.100 against the 911 range


ta

jason


mosi i found you :D


Well it really depends on which 911 you are on about, as there are many.....

But if we're talking drag race, then it'll either be a GT2 or a turbo X50, both of which would toast you IMHO :D
But i'm far from expert in rice burners, i think Guy R would know much more on comparisons.

If you wanted track comparisons, look no further than a GT3, and i've burnt lots of rice in my time :p

In truth, i would love to have a go in one of these rocket ships one time though :)

[bar shaker]

I think you would roast most 911s that you come up against, with the exception of those mentioned above.

But next year there will be a new version of your Mitsi out and yours, one year old with 8k, will be worth just over half what you paid for it.

Enjoy :D

[b-code-ade]

But next year there will be a new version of your Mitsi out and yours, one year old with 8k, will be worth just over half what you paid for it.

Enjoy :D


E V I L . . . BUT fair heheheheee

[Moz]

Hi Jason,

So you didnt sell the FQ400 then, glad to see you are still enjoying it.

Your questions have been answered above I believe. But at the end of the day, whichever models of 911 you are quicker at Santa Pod against, the 911 will do everything in so much more style and with so much more soul than some cheapo Jap 4 door saloon with a highly stressed turbo in it running stupid boost. I can speak from experience as you know, after having a large number of Rice Burners in my past :)

[duran]

Hi Jason,

So you didnt sell the FQ400 then, glad to see you are still enjoying it.

Your questions have been answered above I believe. But at the end of the day, whichever models of 911 you are quicker at Santa Pod against, the 911 will do everything in so much more style and with so much more soul than some cheapo Jap 4 door saloon with a highly stressed turbo in it running stupid boost. I can speak from experience as you know, after having a large number of Rice Burners in my past :)

cheapo Jap 4 door saloon

50k is not cheap is it :(

why you not on mlr anymore steve :cool:

[Moz]

cheapo Jap 4 door saloon

50k is not cheap is it :(

why you not on mlr anymore steve :cool:

Jase, I wasnt relating to the actual cost of the car, more the overall build quality and packaging. Besides, the FQ400 was an overpriced overhyped model as you know. The Evo is based in a cheap & cheerful boring jap saloon car - you cant deny that.

I'm just saying what it is mate, I'm not taking anything away from the fact that its one of the most fun cars that money can buy at ANY price.

Re: MLR, tbh mate I just got fed up to the back teeth of inputing into something that only gave me grief / insults / ill feeling back. The demographics changed (for the worse) and I just got a bad taste in my mouth every time I went on. Shame really, but hey ho thats life :(

[Rosco]

Mosi got upset at the amount of people that didn't know him, biting everytime he made a new "sarcastic" post! :D

Now then Jason, when are you gonna get a proper car??? ;) :D

P.S. Are they still ripping you about your DIY skills? :eek:

[Moz]

Mosi got upset at the amount of people that didn't know him, biting everytime he made a new "sarcastic" post! :D

Now then Jason, when are you gonna get a proper car??? ;) :D

P.S. Are they still ripping you about your DIY skills? :eek:

I wouldnt say "upset" Steve, because quite frankly most of the oiks concerned were too insignificant to get upset about - just couldnt be arsed with having to communicate on the same level as complete pillocks who didnt have a big enough brain to understand me.

And PLEASE dont try and convince Jase to get a Porsche...the brand would be ruined forever! :D

Jase, out of interest...what is your 1 year old £50k FQ400 worth now ? ....I'm curious to know if my thread about them being worth around £30k on trade in after a year, that I got completely slated about at the time has become a reality LOL :p

[redfive]

keep it clean lads........ we should welcome all ex.MLR guys who have seen the light and moved-on to better things (automotively that is)


Not driven the MR400, but from what I understand form those who have, any 996 other than a c2 would be away from the line quick enough to mean that by the time the jap-stuff has spooled-up, and moved-away, the distance between the two cars would be huuuuuuuuuuuuge, and the day would be over.!!! :D

..........seriously, though, I'm actually in the market for an evo5 (in white) of anyone knows where there's a good one - I still miss the discomfort and noise!!

[juux]

Jase, out of interest...what is your 1 year old £50k FQ400 worth now ? ....I'm curious to know if my thread about them being worth around £30k on trade in after a year, that I got completely slated about at the time has become a reality LOL :pThere is already one for sale with 2700 miles for £34.5k, so you're not far off...

http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90431

[damian]

I'm getting confused????? What's are these 4Q cars these people are going on about? :D

[InsBro]

..........seriously, though, I'm actually in the market for an evo5 (in white) of anyone knows where there's a good one - I still miss the discomfort and noise!!

Red

If you want a VI RS Sprint (that is mint) I know where there is a nice specced one, you would have a choice of gearbox/ratio's

Jez

[Rosco]

Red

If you want a VI RS Sprint (that is mint) I know where there is a nice specced one, you would have a choice of gearbox/ratio's

Jez

Oh I wonder who that could possibly be from???? :p

[InsBro]

Oh I wonder who that could possibly be from???? :p

Its not your old nail BTW :p ;)

It may not be a RS Sprint actually just a RS

:D

[Moz]

There is already one for sale with 2700 miles for £34.5k, so you're not far off...

http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90431

He'll be getting offered around £30k MAX on that by Dealers, so it looks like I was right on the nose :)

Mr Smug

[duran]

He'll be getting offered around £30k MAX on that by Dealers, so it looks like I was right on the nose :)

Mr Smug


its a fast car come on admit that i have no problem in wasting most supercars....


as for the turbo ok it does take a bit of time to come in but once on boost its capable of shaming lots of cars twice its price ..


look at my 30.130 i managed that in 15 secs and my 1/4 mile came in at 11.6 as for the top speed .. over 180 at bruntinford ..


steve as the price now its about 35k so i have lost 12k in just under a year ..

[Moz]

I'm getting confused????? What's are these 4Q cars these people are going on about? :D

Damian, just as the 911 range can be somewhat confusing to some, the Mitsi Evo range is equally (if not more) complicated, here goes :

Obviously you get the inevitable model update every 2 years, you have Evo's I to IX (1-9) the IX (9) being the current model.

Within these model ranges you can have all sorts of variations on the theme, so you will see models such as :

260
FQ300
FQ320
FQ330
FQ340
MR320
MR340
FQ400
RS
RSII
RS Sprint
GSR
Zero Fighter
Xtreme S
Xtreme

To name but a few (there are more, but I cant remember them all). Some are factory models and some are 'Specials' rolled out by Mitsu UK or well known Tuners.

[Sutters]

I used to own a Subaru Impreza STI, these cars are rapid, £ for BHP they are cetainly value.

[Balkan]

look at my 30.130 i managed that in 15 secs and my 1/4 mile came in at 11.6 as for the top speed .. over 180 at bruntinford ..

17.97 seconds for 30 to 130.

[Kristian]

I know these things are damn fast and even my granny could drive one quickly but I fail to believe they could put much distance petween themselves and even a normally aspirated 911 (997 or 996). A bog std 911 comes in at around 11 secs or less to 100mph, how quick is the FQ400 to 100? I know it's quicker but I wouldn't have thought by much. 9 and half to 100??

I used to love these things by the way and still do, it's just that I see too many idiots in them these days (not all idiots though, obviously). And I love the whole Jap turbo thing, in fact, I still have my 200SX that pushes out around 270bhp and is no slouch itself, although obviously not in this league!
I also think the inferior drag of the Mitsubishi would hinder it a little above 100mph.

I may well be wrong on all this ofcourse, just my opinion. Enjoy! ;)

Kris

[A-Mac]

So its a bash the Evo FQ400 thread is it ? Well on value Jase may well have "done" £12k or 25% in his 1st year but most Porsche GT2's lose around 25% or £30k in the same timeframe, so no real Porsche victory there then.

GT2 yr 1 depreciation £30k
GT3 yr 1 depreciation £15k
996 TT yr 1 depreciation £18k

On performance, if you catch him out off boost, even a wheezy 2.5 Boxster will give him a fright but on hard accel on boost even a GT2 will not just 'ck off into the distance. On a twisty A or B road in less than favourable [read normal UK] weather The Evo will soon be a speck on the horizon.

Whilst its origins do lie in a humble 4 door japanese saloon it is by no means unable to hold its head high among cars such as those above.

Lets not have "badge snobbery" cloud our view, as petrolheads/enthusiasts we should all revel in the fact that manufacturers build such cars.

Cheers

Allan

[Moz]

Allan, in the norm you can typically stereotype a driver by his car - I dont care what anyone says, you can. Cars are fashioned lifestyle accessories, so just like you can suss someone out from their clothes 'look' you can with a car.

Evo's are driven by a whole different demographic than when they were specialist 'cult' imports that were both rare and exclusive.

The majority these days are spoiling it for the minority, just look at the state of the MLR forum these days - the Spivs are taking over and ruining the whole scene.

And after looking at the constant childish petty grief that gets focussed in WRC Techs direction on the MLR forum, I fail to see how you can not agree with my views ?

[A-Mac]

Steve
I agree wholeheartedly on the change in ownership type over a period. Chavs/Spivs are now able to afford early Evo's and invade the bulletin boards with their inane drivel. However Jase is neither a Spiv nor a Chav and FQ400's are still beyond the reach of most of those. I agree that to a lay person all Evo's look the same so it is difficult to tell the pauper spec from the FQ series.

Enjoy

Allan

[Moz]

Allan, I've known Jase for years and my comments were by no means aimed at him in any way shape or form (although in fairness, he is a BIT of a Spiv ;) :D ). You know EXACTLY who my comments were aimed at....you have been battling them every day for the last 6 months have you not ? :)

[FrankC]

Went out for a blast in a modified FQ340 recently with a mate driving who does the odd track day........totaly sh*t myself :eek:

These cars are very very quick and in the hands of the right driver pretty unbeatable point to point.
Still wouldnt have one though.
Cheers
fc

[Moz]

Chaps, isnt the 'mines car faster than you car' vibe on this thread a tad childish/immature in itself ? - somewhat prescriptive of the general attitude of your average Evo driver ? who bloody cares who's cars faster than who's car ?

At the end of the day, driver competence FAR outweighs bhp or Santa Pod times when on a track or racing.

I enjoy my car for what it is, I've enjoyed plenty of other cars in the past just as much too - isnt that the point ?

[Glenn Mc]

Chaps, isnt the 'mines car faster than you car' vibe on this thread a tad childish/immature in itself ? - somewhat prescriptive of the general attitude of your average Evo driver ? who bloody cares who's cars faster than who's car ?

At the end of the day, driver competence FAR outweighs bhp or Santa Pod times when on a track or racing.

I enjoy my car for what it is, I've enjoyed plenty of other cars in the past just as much too - isnt that the point ?


True words Mr Mosi :)


Thing is, when a rice burner comes breezing in with this kind of challenge on a Porker forum, it brings the worst out in people :rolleyes:

I'm sure BHP/£ they are unbeatable value.

Horses for courses IMHO ;)


G.

[Balkan]

Quality is a word that springs to mind when comparing the two marques.

[Guy]

Personally I find these Car X vs Car Y type discussions utterly pointless, since they invariably compare cars of different price, performance, style etc - it really is like arguing that an apple is better than a orange or vice versa, there is no right answer. These threads also often exist to make the people on said thread feel better about their own choices, so could perhaps be better labelled as "A thread to increase my self-esteem about my car and validate my automotive purchasing choice"

If I want to read about Evos I'll go to the MLR site, which I do occasionally and usually find quite funny (from an observational comedy point of view).

There are cars that are cheaper than mine, faster than mine, better depreciating than mine, bigger/smaller/lighter/heavier/prettier/uglier etc etc (though not usually all of the attributes at once). However mine is what I want right now, or otherwise I would have the alternative.

Just my 2p worth.

Guy

NB I'm not bashing anyone on this thread as it has so far been expressed reasonably fairly.

[Moz]

True words Mr Mosi :)

Thing is, when a rice burner comes breezing in with this kind of challenge on a Porker forum, it brings the worst out in people :rolleyes:

I'm sure BHP/£ they are unbeatable value.

Horses for courses IMHO ;)

G.

Ok Glenn, we could stick a jet engine to the back of a Caterham and then go over to other forums saying "we are the fastest at Santa Pod" - does that make the jet engined Caterham a great car with excellent racing heritage, soul and massively well engineered/built/packaged ? does it buggery!

[Glenn Mc]

Ok Glenn, we could stick a jet engine to the back of a Caterham and then go over to other forums saying "we are the fastest at Santa Pod" - does that make the jet engined Caterham a great car with excellent racing heritage, soul and massively well engineered/built/packaged ? does it buggery!


OK mate, chill out bud, you want to watch your blood pressure :)

[Moz]

OK mate, chill out bud, you want to watch your blood pressure :)

I am chilled Glenn, I was agreeing with you anyway :)

[duran]

I am chilled Glenn, I was agreeing with you anyway :)


0.60 in 3.5 and 0.100 in 9.1


thats fast in any ones book :)

[DanH]

GT2 is meant to be mid 8's to 100 if you go by manufacturer figures. GT3 RS is low 9s IIRC.

Who cares though, delivering those times is going to bugger your car.

[InsBro]

It really annoys me how people knock the FQ400

The power and torque curve have been designed/mapped to make the car last the duration of the warrenty - the components used are for the same reason!

If the car was remapped by one of the evo specialists like Norris, CPP, MAD or NR then you would easilly get the power and boost curve 1500 rpm lower down the rev range, BUT the gearbox and maybe the front diff wouldnt take it for 3 years or 36k miles.

My 411 bhp / 372 lbft evo ate turbo's chewed gearboxes etc etc. but i wanted the power and was prepared to pay for turbos etc so I chose the level of boost I wanted to run.

The drag race senario I have a video clip of my TVR leaving a couple of 450 bhp Evo's like they were almost going backwards (the video was done by a passenger in one of the Evo's and all the comments were "I can't beleive how fast that thing is" it was from 50 - 130 (on a track;) ) started in 2nd gear in the TVR :D

Jez

[Moz]

0.60 in 3.5 and 0.100 in 9.1

thats fast in any ones book :)

Yes its fast, great stuff - but so what ? :)

[duran]

Yes its fast, great stuff - but so what ? :)


well thats the point for buying fast cars i thought steve :rolleyes:


ok ok its a jap crap 4 door salloon :p

[DanH]

It really annoys me how people knock the FQ400


To be fair, a lot of the knocking has come from owners. I'm sure an owner on pistonheads was bitching that they'd dropped the performance from the one all the journos tested on all customer cars - different map? Also that they were fragile and Mitsu wriggled a lot on warranty?

Still as pointed out above, GT2 owners have taken it up the arse on residuals too, and the original owner of my RS hardly did well either! I'm just crossing my fingers.

[duran]

To be fair, a lot of the knocking has come from owners. I'm sure an owner on pistonheads was bitching that they'd dropped the performance from the one all the journos tested on all customer cars - different map? Also that they were fragile and Mitsu wriggled a lot on warranty?

Still as pointed out above, GT2 owners have taken it up the arse on residuals too, and the original owner of my RS hardly did well either! I'm just crossing my fingers.



raced a gt2 in my mak and fook me it left me for dead and i mean dead i cant see my evo 400 getting a hiding from the gt2 fair enough it would win but it should do it has a hell of alot more power than me ...



so shall i lower the tone and get a porsche as steve pointed out i would drop the level of you porsche owners :eek: :rolleyes:

[duran]

even a wheezy 2.5 Boxster will give him a fright



dont be sodding silly :cool: :rolleyes:

[InsBro]

so shall i lower the tone and get a porsche as steve pointed out i would drop the level of you porsche owners :eek: :rolleyes:

Jase

Get whatever car floats your boat mate, I think a 996 TT would surprise you:D

Ive just been looking at a V8 Vantage

Jez

[duran]

Jase

Get whatever car floats your boat mate, I think a 996 TT would surprise you:D

Ive just been looking at a V8 Vantage

Jez


im coming away from fast cars after xmas ...


im changing my life and i see no future in cars for me any more.



holidays and a new home is the way forward for me .. i had so much fun in the last 5 years doing trackdays shows and standing starts but im near on 40 now and i need a green house :D :D :D

[Guy]

On the subject of 30-130mph, I data-logged mine recently (GPS-based) and got 60-130 in 8.2 seconds, also did 30-70mph in 2.6 seconds. Therefore estimate 30-60mph= circa 1.8 secs giving 10.0 seconds in total for 30mph to 130mph.

[duran]

On the subject of 30-130mph, I data-logged mine recently (GPS-based) and got 60-130 in 8.2 seconds, also did 30-70mph in 2.6 seconds. Therefore estimate 30-60mph= circa 1.8 secs giving 10.0 seconds in total for 30mph to 130mph.



if you have a g2 mate then thats about right

fook me thats fast :D

[Moz]

if you have a g2 mate then thats about right

fook me thats fast :D

Jase, Guy's GT2 has been breathed on by RUF mate, its a GT2....but more ruthless!

However, he does have chrome wheels which is tantamount to a crime worse than a flamer kit! .... our thoughts go out to Guy's family, it cant be easy for them having to cope with him on a daily basis :(

[Guy]

Chrome wheels are never actually on the car Mosi. They are spares with road tires on them and just get fitted every time the car needs warranty work.

[Moz]

Chrome wheels are never actually on the car Mosi. They are spares with road tires on them and just get fitted every time the car needs warranty work.

Sorry Guy, I'm thought I had seen them on the car at a G-Force dyno day - I must of been mistaken.

Anyway, you've just admitted to having some....thats a crime in itself :D :p

[mikial]

im coming away from fast cars after xmas ...


im changing my life and i see no future in cars for me any more.



holidays and a new home is the way forward for me .. i had so much fun in the last 5 years doing trackdays shows and standing starts but im near on 40 now and i need a green house :D :D :D

LOL :D

I `ve a green house , it`s the way forward but with a green house comes responsibility, do you promise to keep it clean, polish the windows , wash off the guana , lock it securely, paint it annualy , keep alive whatever you grow in it, etc etc...........

[Rosco]

Before I sold my Evo I did a couple of vids at brunters. One of them you can see from a standing start to 140 in just over 15 seconds. How does that compare with a Porker? Anyone able to upload it?

Don't worry Jason, I'll try and help you where I can on the acceleration figures for Evos.

Jezza - even with the best mapper in the world, they still wouldn't be able to improve much at all with the response/lag due to the turbo they put on the FQ400. That was the biggest feck up of all and what really put a downer on the car overall! Now if they'd gone for an HKS 3037s or something slightly smaller ;)

[redfive]

Insbro - I'm looking for low cost (I expect high miles) evo5 in white to work-on to bring to top-notch condition.... The broef description of the car you mention makes me think it might be a bit too dear //

I'm trying to find some poor devil (muppet) who needs his finance settling 'cos he's in a pickle some how so I can get his car cheap (brutal I know, but at least its the truth !!, and I'll be helping him out too :rolleyes: )

[Rosco]

Try Moses!!!! :D

It's a cross between a IV and a VI, so you could call it a V.

[Guy]

Ooops.....

[Rosco]

Ooops.....

Too late for oops Guy. My Road Angel read 98 at 100mph indicated on the speedo. I'd say it was pretty damn accurate, wouldn't you? ;)

[InsBro]

Jezza - even with the best mapper in the world, they still wouldn't be able to improve much at all with the response/lag due to the turbo they put on the FQ400. That was the biggest feck up of all and what really put a downer on the car overall! Now if they'd gone for an HKS 3037s or something slightly smaller ;)

Steve

your old car had that manifold and turbo on at one time ;) it hit 440 bhp easilly and what alot more tractable due to the ported shroud;) then it was swapped for a GT30 which showed the weakness in the manifold at 475bhp (on an engine dyno)

I agree though one of the new cast tubular looking manifolds with a 2835 on would make a far better drive but you would still destroy the gearbox if it was mapped to the max torque.

Jez

[InsBro]

Insbro - I'm looking for low cost (I expect high miles) evo5 in white to work-on to bring to top-notch condition.... The broef description of the car you mention makes me think it might be a bit too dear //

I'm trying to find some poor devil (muppet) who needs his finance settling 'cos he's in a pickle some how so I can get his car cheap (brutal I know, but at least its the truth !!, and I'll be helping him out too :rolleyes: )

How about a caged V shell with what ever bits you want or dont want?

Jez

[Steve Rance]

I can never understand the obsession with straight line speed. It's only a third of the equation. Handling and braking are just as critical. If you want to compare the relative performances of these cars go to the results section of this years GT battle. Every car in the final was heavily modified except for the 3 GT3RS entries. The only cars that were quicker was a skyline with 800bhp and massively modified (8/100's of a second quicker) and an ex works rally car with 600bhp. It helps put things back into perspective..

Steve R

[InsBro]

I can never understand the obsession with straight line speed. It's only a third of the equation. Handling and braking are just as critical. If you want to compare the relative performances of these cars go to the results section of this years GT battle. Every car in the final was heavily modified except for the 3 GT3RS entries. The only cars that were quicker was a skyline with 800bhp and massively modified (8/100's of a second quicker) and an ex works rally car with 600bhp. It helps put things back into perspective..

Steve R

Exactly

How many time do you have a car sitting on your bumper until they think its time to brake:D for a roundabout etc.

Jez

[A-Mac]

Steve
Don't disagree that getting cars to stop and turn is a significant part of going fast in general. An awful lot of people are motivated by BHP, wheras serious racers prefer torque !
However the GT Battle results for the GT3 RS's was distorted a little by you actually being able to peddle and therefor extract the maximum from a well set up car with a good balance between BHP and chassis capability. The majority of "Ricer Cars" are straight line experts.

Just a thought

Allan :D

[Guy]

Steve,

I totally agree that for a track car seeking a lap-time, chassis, brakes and driver all as important as power, however you are assuming all that people are interested in is track-use.

If it's road car thrills that one seeks and that applies to both people here and in the 'ricer' world who never drive circuits, then accelerative thrills are usable more easily, safely and repeatedly, whereas cornering thrills are not accesible on the majority of roads without being irresponsible. In my car for instance I can easily enjoy the savage acceleration from say 60mph to 120mph on a short straight stretch of road with relative safety, whereas I cannot responsibly drive through country roads using the cars full cornering ability since I cannot possibly see what I am about to arrive into at very high-speeds (stationary vehicles, tractors, pedestrians, children etc).

As an aside, the weekend after GT Battle I did the Brands GP circuit with the Sumo Skyline that just beat you. I followed it for a full lap sat on it's bumper, then overtook it (a gentlemens pass from the other driver) and drove away from it. I even had a passenger on-board to witness it.

Guy

[InsBro]

Steve
wheras serious racers prefer torque !


Allan

Can you explain that?

As alot of race cars that are not restricted with a air restrictor have the gearing around the power band not torque curve?!?

Jez

[Kristian]

I don't reckon F1 engines are very tourquey...........surely we'd see a lot more diesel racers if this were the case????

Kris

[A-Mac]

Allan
alot of race cars that are not restricted with a air restrictor have the gearing around the power band not torque curve?!?Jez

F1 aside most cars are at or about maximum torque at the apex of a given corner, that is when you get to accelerate fully, pulling max G's [grip allowing] The lap time on a race car is made up under braking, accelerating from apex not necesarily the car with the most BHP or highest top speed has the fastest lap time.

Allan

[DanH]

I've always found big wide torque bands handy when bumbling along on the road not constantly keeping the car in optimum gear for acceleration. On track its easier to stay at the sweet spot if your gear ratios are sensible.

[Kristian]

I think diesels make great sense as road cars and thay are even being used in race and rally events these days. Not sure they'll ever produce the necessary flexibility to match an equivalent petrol engine in race situations though.......I'm in danger of starting to waffle here so I'll stop! :p

[Steve Rance]

Steve,

I totally agree that for a track car seeking a lap-time, chassis, brakes and driver all as important as power, however you are assuming all that people are interested in is track-use.

If it's road car thrills that one seeks and that applies to both people here and in the 'ricer' world who never drive circuits, then accelerative thrills are usable more easily, safely and repeatedly, whereas cornering thrills are not accesible on the majority of roads without being irresponsible. In my car for instance I can easily enjoy the savage acceleration from say 60mph to 120mph on a short straight stretch of road with relative safety, whereas I cannot responsibly drive through country roads using the cars full cornering ability since I cannot possibly see what I am about to arrive into at very high-speeds (stationary vehicles, tractors, pedestrians, children etc).

As an aside, the weekend after GT Battle I did the Brands GP circuit with the Sumo Skyline that just beat you. I followed it for a full lap sat on it's bumper, then overtook it (a gentlemens pass from the other driver) and drove away from it. I even had a passenger on-board to witness it.

Guy

It's wierd. He was slow in the sighting laps, really slow and then in the final he found about 3 seconds. I was told he used nitros and wound the boost up to mad mcmad. Whatever he did, it worked.

[Rosco]

Tis very true what Guy and Steve are saying regarding straight line performance. When you first own an Evo/Subaru and all of a sudden have this massive amount of 4wd grip exiting a corner, in fact you can plant the throttle entering the damn corners with them, you get this impression that not much else grips or handles as well. I certainly was and had a very quick Evo, one of the quickest in the country.

Then I bought a CSL which is supposed to be a good circuit car and very comparible to the GT3. Well I managed Donington National circuit in 1m 18 in the CSL, which is a second slower than I ever did in my Evo. The Evo had 530bhp & 470lb ft and weighed around 1250kg, CSL had 360bhp and I think around 290lb ft and weighed around 1400kg (oh and I had the air con on :D ).

That's the difference between cars, after all, it's the same driver! ;)

Anyway, as for your Sumo friend (I've forgotten his name), Me and Mosi did him at an MLR Rally Day we all did! :D

[redfive]

How about a caged V shell with what ever bits you want or dont want?

Jez

tell me more m8................

[InsBro]

It's wierd. He was slow in the sighting laps, really slow and then in the final he found about 3 seconds. I was told he used nitros and wound the boost up to mad mcmad. Whatever he did, it worked.

He used the autodrive setting, you have to let the onboard camera's take every detail of the track - this Jap stuff is amazing ;)

Rosco

I remember seeing another Evo doing 1 16's at Donni on the same day;)

Jez

[Rosco]

Do you???

So do I, even got a video of it! For the life of me I couldn't work out how the hell he got by me down the back straight when I was running full boost. I took the car straight back to Norris and found it was making 2 bar at 4000rpm then taled off to 1.4 straight afterwards! I've even got it on video and you can see there is nothing between us apart from on acceleration.

Bloody good day that! :)

[InsBro]

tell me more m8................


Evo V shell ready for a cage - with UK logbook
Evo VI shell mint ready for cage Jap logbook only - track/sprint only
Evo VIII shell with cage and UK logbook
Evo VI RS sprint Group N (expensive)

The V & VI can come with whatever you want - stroker engine standard high comp engine etc.


Jez

[bar shaker]

Allan

Can you explain that?

As alot of race cars that are not restricted with a air restrictor have the gearing around the power band not torque curve?!?

Jez

Think of it this way...

A F1 car can have 900bhp but only 300lbft of toque.

The bhp is the misnomer as its a mathmatical product of a measurable quality. bhp=torque/rpm x 5250.

In this example, our fire spitting 3 litre V10 is producing 262lbft, but its producing it at 18,000 rpm.

Here's the clever bit...

The gear box is a torque multiplier. Any gear or lever is nothing but a torque multiplier. In an F1 car, 6th gear has a final drive equivalent to 2nd gear in a Mundaneo. 262lbft through 2nd gear is quite enjoyable in any car as its putting around 575lbft of torque to the wheels. 2nd gear in a F1 car my be 4.5:1, giving over 1100lbft at the wheels, with considerably more around the 12-14k rpm sweet spot.

To answer the question... its only torque that matters, but where you get your torque and how that lets you gear it, is more important than how much you get.

[Glenn Mc]

Think of it this way...

A F1 car can have 900bhp but only 300lbft of toque.

The bhp is the misnomer as its a mathmatical product of a measurable quality. bhp=torque/rpm x 5250.

In this example, our fire spitting 3 litre V10 is producing 262lbft, but its producing it at 18,000 rpm.

Here's the clever bit...

The gear box is a torque multiplier. Any gear or lever is nothing but a torque multiplier. In an F1 car, 6th gear has a final drive equivalent to 2nd gear in a Mundaneo. 262lbft through 2nd gear is quite enjoyable in any car as its putting around 575lbft of torque to the wheels. 2nd gear in a F1 car my be 4.5:1, giving over 1100lbft at the wheels, with considerably more around the 12-14k rpm sweet spot.

To answer the question... its only torque that matters, but where you get your torque and how that lets you gear it, is more important than how much you get.


Bloody hell :confused:

If that was the simple answer, F :eek: :eek: k knows what the long one would be ;)

I think i understood that, i think i need some headache pills now :D




G.

[Balkan]

Cascades :

http://www.eurospares.com/samplepages/v1-p72.htm